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Since: Mar 16, 2004 Posts: 21
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:54 am
Post subject: Onboard sound on Asus P4P800 Archived from groups: alt>comp>periphs>mainboard>asus (more info?)
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| Does anyone else think it sucks? I like the board, but the sound is pretty lame. No controls to adjust bass and treble that I
can find, and for the speaker setup, it doesnt list 2 mains with a sub. I would imagine that is a pretty popular setup but it
doesnt even list it. Or, am I just blind and are these settings available somewhere?
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Since: Jul 27, 2004 Posts: 2307
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:47 am
Post subject: Re: Onboard sound on Asus P4P800 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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husker3in4.DeleteThis@donotspam.yahoo.com wrote:
> Does anyone else think it sucks? I like the board, but the
> sound is pretty lame. No controls to adjust bass and treble that I
> can find, and for the speaker setup, it doesnt list 2 mains with
> a sub. I would imagine that is a pretty popular setup but it
> doesnt even list it. Or, am I just blind and are these settings
> available somewhere?
The bass and treble adjustments in the AC97 standard are listed
as optional. That means they don't have to be implemented for
a product to be AC97 compliant.
The datasheet for the AD1985 is here:
<a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.analog.com/UploadedFiles/Data_Sheets/1198969AD1985_a.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.analog.com/UploadedFiles/Data_Sheets/1198969AD1985_a.pdf</a>
PDF page 14 of the document, shows the hardware capability of
the CODEC. Base and treble adjust are missing, as is the bass
boost button.
It could be that any special effects are all done by the processor.
For example, maybe you could set the thing to four or six speaker
mode, and turn down the volume on the unused channels. Turning
on "Virtual Theater" might take stereo source material, for example,
and extract a signal suitable for driving your subwoofer. The
sound will still suck though, because in the process of making
the derived sound channels, the algorithm will also mess with the
front left and right, and they won't be "full bodied". It will
change the channel separation on you.
An example of a full featured AC97 would be the A7N8X Deluxe board.
AFAIK, the chipset has a DSP in it, and there is a 7 band graphic
equalizer to adjust the sound. The AC97 Codec in that case can
be brain dead, as the Nvidia chipset preprocesses the digital
data being fed to the codec, so the codec doesn't need any features.
For other vendor chipsets, like Intel, I think the chipset doesn't
do anything other than DMA the sound data to the AC-link.
A soundcard or a motherboard with a PCI sound chip (instead of
AC97 based) will give more options, even the simple things like
bass and treble.
HTH,
Paul >> Stay informed about: Onboard sound on Asus P4P800 |
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Since: Mar 16, 2004 Posts: 21
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:47 am
Post subject: Re: Onboard sound on Asus P4P800 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Ah.. Paul u have all the answers. So is there any decent onboard sound I should look for? I know there are several different
types or brands I guess. This SoundMax isnt very good tho, I should have never sold my Sound Blaster X-Gamer card! Im may
have to spend twice as much as I got for it to get a decent sound card. Anyway, please let me know if you know of a decent
sound device thats onboard so I can check motherboards that have it. I just got this motherboard and can easily return it for
a different one. Thanks again.
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 02:47:06 -0500, nospam.TakeThisOut@needed.com (Paul) wrote:
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>> Does anyone else think it sucks? I like the board, but the
>> sound is pretty lame. No controls to adjust bass and treble that I
>> can find, and for the speaker setup, it doesnt list 2 mains with
>> a sub. I would imagine that is a pretty popular setup but it
>> doesnt even list it. Or, am I just blind and are these settings
>> available somewhere?
>
>The bass and treble adjustments in the AC97 standard are listed
>as optional. That means they don't have to be implemented for
>a product to be AC97 compliant.
>
>The datasheet for the AD1985 is here:
>http://www.analog.com/UploadedFiles/Data_Sheets/1198969AD1985_a.pdf
>
>PDF page 14 of the document, shows the hardware capability of
>the CODEC. Base and treble adjust are missing, as is the bass
>boost button.
>
>It could be that any special effects are all done by the processor.
>For example, maybe you could set the thing to four or six speaker
>mode, and turn down the volume on the unused channels. Turning
>on "Virtual Theater" might take stereo source material, for example,
>and extract a signal suitable for driving your subwoofer. The
>sound will still suck though, because in the process of making
>the derived sound channels, the algorithm will also mess with the
>front left and right, and they won't be "full bodied". It will
>change the channel separation on you.
>
>An example of a full featured AC97 would be the A7N8X Deluxe board.
>AFAIK, the chipset has a DSP in it, and there is a 7 band graphic
>equalizer to adjust the sound. The AC97 Codec in that case can
>be brain dead, as the Nvidia chipset preprocesses the digital
>data being fed to the codec, so the codec doesn't need any features.
>
>For other vendor chipsets, like Intel, I think the chipset doesn't
>do anything other than DMA the sound data to the AC-link.
>
>A soundcard or a motherboard with a PCI sound chip (instead of
>AC97 based) will give more options, even the simple things like
>bass and treble.
>
>HTH,
> Paul >> Stay informed about: Onboard sound on Asus P4P800 |
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Since: Feb 25, 2004 Posts: 88
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:01 pm
Post subject: Re: Onboard sound on Asus P4P800 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Its good enough for mp3s and for gaming. Not great -- but good enough for a
non-audiophile.
"3in4" wrote in message
> Does anyone else think it sucks? I like the board, but the sound is pretty
lame. No controls to adjust bass and treble that I
> can find, and for the speaker setup, it doesnt list 2 mains with a sub. I
would imagine that is a pretty popular setup but it
> doesnt even list it. Or, am I just blind and are these settings available
somewhere? >> Stay informed about: Onboard sound on Asus P4P800 |
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Since: Jul 27, 2004 Posts: 2307
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:59 pm
Post subject: Re: Onboard sound on Asus P4P800 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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In article ,
husker3in4 RemoveThis @donotspam.yahoo.com wrote:
> Ah.. Paul u have all the answers. So is there any decent onboard
> sound I should look for? I know there are several different
> types or brands I guess. This SoundMax isnt very good tho, I
> should have never sold my Sound Blaster X-Gamer card! Im may
> have to spend twice as much as I got for it to get a decent sound
> card. Anyway, please let me know if you know of a decent
> sound device thats onboard so I can check motherboards that have
> it. I just got this motherboard and can easily return it for
> a different one. Thanks again.
>
>
I've got plenty of theories, and a few answers
Yes, selling your sound card was a mistake. The thing is, no matter
how full featured a motherboard sound solution is, it will be
poor at recording sound, as the analog noise floor on a motherboard
is not very good. In playback, you might also notice this if
playing high dynamic range sound (like classical music that has
silent parts between the noisy parts - during the silent parts,
you may hear motherboard noise, such as when you move your mouse
or drag a window on the desktop).
When it comes to soundcards, there is a highly non-linear relation
between price and quality. For example, a basic CMI8738 sound card
can be found from $7 to $70, depending on where you shop. That can
be good enough for gaming etc. Some of the Creative products
can be much more expensive, and then it really depends on whether
you typically use the features they provide or not.
As I'm not an audiophile, I have a CMI8738 in one computer and
a Soundblaster in another computer. I plug the computer into the
mixer on my stereo, and the bass is always turned up on the stereo.
I think I have a "tin ear", as I have trouble making sound
quality distinctions. That is the reason I'll never buy an expensive
sound card.
HTH,
Paul >> Stay informed about: Onboard sound on Asus P4P800 |
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Since: Mar 26, 2004 Posts: 61
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 3:19 am
Post subject: Re: Onboard sound on Asus P4P800 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"3in4" wrote in message
> Does anyone else think it sucks? I like the board, but the sound is pretty
lame. No controls to adjust bass and treble that I
> can find, and for the speaker setup, it doesnt list 2 mains with a sub. I
would imagine that is a pretty popular setup but it
> doesnt even list it. Or, am I just blind and are these settings available
somewhere?
There's no such thing as true 2.1 sound. The .1 automatically comes from the
base of the 2.0 signal. >> Stay informed about: Onboard sound on Asus P4P800 |
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Since: Mar 26, 2004 Posts: 61
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 3:21 am
Post subject: Re: Onboard sound on Asus P4P800 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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> A soundcard or a motherboard with a PCI sound chip (instead of
> AC97 based) will give more options, even the simple things like
> bass and treble.
Ideally speakers should have their own bass/treble controls. Mine do. >> Stay informed about: Onboard sound on Asus P4P800 |
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Since: Mar 26, 2004 Posts: 61
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 3:22 am
Post subject: Re: Onboard sound on Asus P4P800 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"3in4" wrote in message
> Ah.. Paul u have all the answers. So is there any decent onboard sound I
should look for? I know there are several different
> types or brands I guess. This SoundMax isnt very good tho, I should have
never sold my Sound Blaster X-Gamer card! Im may
> have to spend twice as much as I got for it to get a decent sound card.
Anyway, please let me know if you know of a decent
> sound device thats onboard so I can check motherboards that have it. I
just got this motherboard and can easily return it for
> a different one. Thanks again.
SoundMax is great. If you want more bass, turn up your subwoofer. >> Stay informed about: Onboard sound on Asus P4P800 |
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Since: Mar 16, 2004 Posts: 21
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 3:22 am
Post subject: Re: Onboard sound on Asus P4P800 [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Actually, i want to turn down the bass, and turn up the treble. the sound is too thick and muddy.
On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 00:22:14 +1100, "Darkfalz" wrote:
>> Ah.. Paul u have all the answers. So is there any decent onboard sound I
>should look for? I know there are several different
>> types or brands I guess. This SoundMax isnt very good tho, I should have
>never sold my Sound Blaster X-Gamer card! Im may
>> have to spend twice as much as I got for it to get a decent sound card.
>Anyway, please let me know if you know of a decent
>> sound device thats onboard so I can check motherboards that have it. I
>just got this motherboard and can easily return it for
>> a different one. Thanks again.
>
>SoundMax is great. If you want more bass, turn up your subwoofer.
> >> Stay informed about: Onboard sound on Asus P4P800 |
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